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  Personal Data Permission (Spain)

  by paradiseseeker in

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  i had the meeting yesterday and there it was announced that there will be a new law passed in spain regarding personal data.

  that law makes it compulsory for the wt spanish branch to collect a signed permission from the publishers to keep and utilize personal data.

  no choice was given to us, we were just told to make sure we hand in our signed permissions before may 18th.

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  sir82-

  these privacy laws are to protect individuals by giving them clear rights as to what can be collected, stored or shared(sold) to third parties by the collector.

  Data collection is supposed to be business specific (only as much and no more) than that particular business needs to function effectively. Issues such as security clearances, health problems and financial situation of employees vary widely from industry to industry - thus should the collection of it´s data vary accordingly.

  Furthermore it is the individual who controls how much is offered for collection and to whom it may be shared.

  WT is dishonest in giving the impression that anyone MUST sign anything for them.
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  Personal Data Permission (Spain)

  by paradiseseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had the meeting yesterday and there it was announced that there will be a new law passed in spain regarding personal data.

  that law makes it compulsory for the wt spanish branch to collect a signed permission from the publishers to keep and utilize personal data.

  no choice was given to us, we were just told to make sure we hand in our signed permissions before may 18th.

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  I would suspect that the very way this information was presented to the sheep was purposely dishonest. (and possibly a violation of the privacy law itself)

  The BOrg wants to become a net collector of data for commercial profit (sale)

  WT Corp´s infantile 8 million represent a unique sample of how wilfully ignorant people can be manipulated to dedicate their entire lives to any whim of propagandists - even sacrificing their own families to obedience to the very organization that is fleecing, decieving and using them.

  
  
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  If they made 14400k symbolic how many jws would start to claim to be anointed?

  by purrpurr in

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  since there's debate here about wether the literal interpretation of the 14400k could be changed to symbolic, i was thinking such an announcement would allow for any jw to claim to be going to heaven... in which case i wonder how many jws would suddenly claim to have "been called"?.

  i can think of many arrogant holier than thou types who would be jumping on that bandwagon immediately!

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  EVERYONE - free crackers and wine once a year, finally an actual reason to go to the memorial

  Newly Anointed youth will quickly realize that this under age drinking could be sanctioned under religious liberty laws - Jesus in the temple at 12? Don´t know why some of the teens haven´t pushed that boundary already...

  JW teens, you listening ... wanna make the evening news?...and expand religious freedoms?... you know you want to...
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  Sign JW Data Protection Form Or Else!

  by AverageJoe1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in spain (and the rest of europe), the "improved" data protection laws come into force on 25th may 2018. this is a good thing and sadly america is still lagging behind; not surprising with their current president!.

  watchtower legal department are hot on the case and have instructed elders to hand out the new "release" forms out to all the publishers in their groups, whilst making it clear to them that they won't have any privileges if they refuse to do so!.

  note these points in the instructions:.

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  I see an easy out for faders in this coercion
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  Transferring Congregations

  by optimisticskeptic in

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  what is included in the publisher cards and other information when you transfer from one congregation to another?

  i was privately reproved and may be moving to a congregation where there are brothers i rather not know why i was privately reproved.

  is the fact i was privately reproved visible but not the reason why?

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  Changing congregations...?! ...the perfect opportunity to disappear and never care again what the a$$holes do or say
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  Have I made a mistake?

  by Calashan in

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  2. experiences

  so i've been out since my mid teens.

  never baptised and consider myself among the lucky ones as it meant i could still have a normal(?

  ) relationship with my parents who are both still in.. jump forward 14 years or so to last night.

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  Hello Calashan and welcome to the forum.

  As I´ve had children become adults and only two of five were ever baptized - I feel it is quite likely that your parents are extremely happy with your status as beloved but not trapped by the same stultifying judgemental fog they are.

  Likely your dad enjoys a freeness of speech he can exercise with you as you cannot be condemned nor manipulated like JWs would like.

  Your parents will be fully aware that you are thoughtful, loving and intelligent in your concerns for them ... go slow, and keep up the research.
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  PORTUGAL: In-depth news investigation about Jehovah's Witnesses and shunning

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "observador" the leading online daily newspaper in portugal, published today an in-depth investigation about the practice of shunning by the jehovah's witnesses.. starting with the ongoing petition that i have submitted to collect signatures, the investigative reporter tânia pereirinha details how the branch is organized, who is who in the local branch office, the history of the organization, the pedophilia scandals, interviews lawmakers and the person responsible for the overseeing of the law of religious freedom, and the focuses on four life stories of people who were shunned.

  one of those stories is of our very own tj curioso, who posts in this forum.. https://observador.pt/especiais/eles-mataram-me-em-vida-o-inferno-nas-testemunhas-de-jeova/.

  "they killed me while i was still living - the hell of jehovah's witnesses" is the name of the article.

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  This is exciting news - can´t wait to get access to it all on a real computer.

  Well done Eden One and Tânia Pereirinha TJCurioso and all !

  200 more signatures coming right up...
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  Good-bye Jehovah (poem)

  by SunnyOne026 in

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  2. friends

  it has been several months now, since i learned ttat and the shock and grief is slowly lifting, although some days are harder than others.

  after 40 years a devout believer i guess i should not be surprised that the transition has been challenging and the losses immense, and i am sure very many of you can relate to my struggles.

  i frequently read the posts on here and my heart goes out to all of you, who grieve and struggle each in your own way, and i wish all of you continued courage and peace.

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  I appreciated your contentment with your new "..live a life of quiet uncertainty.."

  Uncertainty is the only true and just response we can have to much of life whether past, present and obviously the future.

  Joys and beauty remain undiminished and a sense of wonder enhances every human mind.

  Thank you for introducing that perfectly apt and logical phrase.
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  My Dissociation letter

  by TJ Curioso in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi to everyone!i was summoned to the judicial committee and went.

  it was a respectful conversation from one side to the other.

  in the end i handed the dissociation letter in hand and a binding to each of the elders, with an article i wrote on the subject, "are jehovah's witnesses a destructive sect?

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  What a superb document.

  The loss of persons of such conviction and love will leave lasting voids - have you considered publishing this in your local press and addressed to your former congregation?

  Those who must have loved you as a friend surely have the right to know your reasons.

  A gracious and well researched condemnation of the actual damages wrought by such a deceitful, destructive cult - in an unsuspecting community.

  Thanks to Eden One for translation... beautifully rendered.
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  Unhappy being asked to give a Disfellowshipped Sister a ride to and from Meetings

  by Isambard Crater in

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  2. beliefs

  i'm pimo, very much against disfellowshipping, and going to a meeting leaves me feeling confused and angry at the best of times.

  except an elder asked me on thursday night if i can start giving a ride to a disfellowshipped woman because she lives near me and nobody else from the hall lives in my village.

  it seems the elder and his family who have been giving this woman a ride for the past six months can no longer stomach the time it takes them to go out of their way.. i thought all normal publishers weren't to have any contact with disfellowshipped people?

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  "...and I was told six months ago (when I didn't know who she was) not to speak to her as she's disfellowshiped."

  It is against the law to forbid communication between citizens. See how much better democratic laws are than theocratic crap?